tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post623809150996321568..comments2024-03-01T00:28:37.354-08:00Comments on B: The bomb and the tradeBlake Andrewshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07187987264904729243noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-72090676393645818202017-03-18T06:19:24.138-07:002017-03-18T06:19:24.138-07:00If the images in question had been presented as a ...If the images in question had been presented as a fabrication at the outset then they would have been assessed in another vein altogether, because Street is assessed on the basis that it IS street and the whole point of Street is that 'decisive moment' - and everyone knows it,.<br /><br />So if compd work is being presented as 'decisive moment' work, then they are knowingly cheating. If they want to present them as comps then they should make that clear at the outset and not after they have gatecrashed the party (even as a parody it should still be obvious).<br /><br />It is simply a question of honesty. The whole point of street is its honesty. If someone is pretending to the skill level of, say, Alex Webb, when they obviously don't possess it, then they should rightly be damned for tricking us into thinking they do. Apologists for that charade are equally disingenuous.Hypnoswanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00672105706083090377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-90045007721062446142013-01-10T09:51:26.391-08:002013-01-10T09:51:26.391-08:00Well, she got all you guys and the clowns at HCSP ...Well, she got all you guys and the clowns at HCSP talking A LOT about her works. So I'd say that's an achievement in itself. There may be several thousands of SPers who won't respect altered photos; but the greater art world does. Her's is actually clever conceptual art, being that it attempts to mimic reality under the guises of SP (which is assumed to be straight photography.). In that sense her ambiguity in the way she presents her works (by not making a clear statement that she manipulates them) becomes part of her artistic process, and can garner interesting reactions as evident here. OTOH most of the general audience may not notice these subtleties, and ultimately won't care one way or the other. But that question is part of what makes here works interesting, even if they don't fall under the rubicon of "real" SP as we know it. <br /><br />AM*shoots*SF<br />http://www.flickr.com/photos/aminsf/<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-36062975067478129202012-12-03T08:09:27.788-08:002012-12-03T08:09:27.788-08:00Today is the day that destiny has promised us. No ...Today is the day that destiny has promised us. No longer will we suffer the abasement and the corruption of the foreign street photographers. For as they photograph amongst themselves, we've resurrected our realm creating a new gallery of street photography. Blake, you are destined to reawaken Winogrand, the way of the street photographer. You will be a part of a new street photography, uniting talented photographers from all 4 corners of our Empire. Together, we will first attack Soviet street photographers and not only crush their cameras, but their framed prints, their negatives, and their hope. General Goldmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-19708767438813162112012-12-01T17:19:18.801-08:002012-12-01T17:19:18.801-08:00Hi Blake, many thanks for your strong and opportun...Hi Blake, many thanks for your strong and opportune post. Street photography have some connections with photojournalism and documental photography. I am very scary for how some people use the photos. I think we have to respect some codes in order to not discredit some genres and the work of a lot of people that made their place in the history of photography. Claiming the modernism, a new era and some relativism a lot of people are arguing that all is allowed. And this is ok for the world of photography in general but not for specific genres. And from my point of view, the street photography style, or rules or codes, are the more close to the inherent character of the photography. Be there and capture the flutter of a hummingbird (hope I can express what i want to say in english, my mother language is spanish, would be Estar ahí y capturar el aleteo de un colibrí). Fair play is nice in all the disciplines.Hernan Zentenohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10827574143876112004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-27080622871572679582012-12-01T16:50:12.973-08:002012-12-01T16:50:12.973-08:00No, the photos are not bad as art, composite or wh...No, the photos are not bad as art, composite or whatever name. Yes, the photo are bad for street photography.Hernan Zentenohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10827574143876112004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-13021360301314252842012-12-01T16:14:54.865-08:002012-12-01T16:14:54.865-08:00Good on them for editing it.
On second thought, ...Good on them for editing it. <br /><br />On second thought, this being an edit makes their vague allusion to the fact that these are illustrations all the more surprising.Mike Kaytonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01426341995141613973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-19135917616530784222012-11-30T09:09:38.440-08:002012-11-30T09:09:38.440-08:00Mike, the Leica Liker post has been edited since b...Mike, the Leica Liker post has been edited since being first posted in September. Originally it made no mention of comping. Blake Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07187987264904729243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-76936319087228014022012-11-29T23:08:37.010-08:002012-11-29T23:08:37.010-08:00Blake,
Great post. I'm in the purist camp whe...Blake,<br /><br />Great post. I'm in the purist camp where it comes defining the limits of "street photograph." However, I'm not sure why, if IP discovered her via the Leica Liker blog post, there was such a controversy. Quoting from that post, "...her complex and ***multiple exposure*** work push far beyond the specific boundaries of street photography..." So although they didn't explicitly say it was comped/illustrated/photoshopped, "multiple exposure" is a pretty big clue.<br /><br />Still, I agree with Nick above, that these things should be very clearly labeled so that the artistry, technique, and imagination of the illustrator can be appreciated without first being soured by the disappointment of "discovering" an "imposter."Mikehttp://www.flickr.com/mkpixnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-83143368853979515092012-11-29T03:24:26.042-08:002012-11-29T03:24:26.042-08:00Thanks for this Blake, I think the answer to this ...Thanks for this Blake, I think the answer to this is to clearly categorise comped photographs as in fact 'illustrations', they should not even appear on photography blogs and sites, they should be posted on websites dealing with illustrated fictions or 'art'.<br /><br />If a 'photo graph' is a 'light drawing' then the 'drawing' takes place in the camera not in photoshop.Nick Turpinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02630514005506112860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-40512534481059889372012-11-28T13:44:14.980-08:002012-11-28T13:44:14.980-08:00The horror…the horror….The horror…the horror….David Simontonhttp://www.davidsimonton.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-3464429124513515392012-11-27T15:00:44.049-08:002012-11-27T15:00:44.049-08:00Excellent post. Thanks for that. this shots are so...Excellent post. Thanks for that. this shots are so great !!!!<br />uerzo from franceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-51636905110509375752012-11-27T08:58:40.793-08:002012-11-27T08:58:40.793-08:00Off with her head! Of course it could be later rep...Off with her head! Of course it could be later repasted somewhere else in Photoshop.<br /><br />But seriously I'm not out to bring her or anyone down. But I am nervous when doctored street shots mix indeterminably with nondoctored ones. I know not everyone feels that way but I do. Strongly.Blake Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07187987264904729243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-64872434185891068092012-11-27T08:40:47.077-08:002012-11-27T08:40:47.077-08:00OK, she made some of her images through "comp...OK, she made some of her images through "comping." So what? Does that make them bad? Does that make her bad? Does she have to turn in her street photography decoder ring?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-68595366891698972272012-11-27T07:23:52.289-08:002012-11-27T07:23:52.289-08:00That's exactly the problem, Sergei. If we all ...That's exactly the problem, Sergei. If we all took our orders from the Kremlin where would that leave the photo world? <br /><br />By the way, can you get a message to Boris Mikhailov? Do you and him still meet for coffee at Duprovnik's on Mokhovoya?Blake Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07187987264904729243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-54985378987865323572012-11-27T07:12:40.544-08:002012-11-27T07:12:40.544-08:00I DO WHUT KREMLiN WANT; IF KREMLINwWANT MANIPULTON...I DO WHUT KREMLiN WANT; IF KREMLINwWANT MANIPULTONS IN PHOTO I DO MaNIPULaTON. MY PASSIOm IS NOT pLEASE BLAKE ANDREW>SERGEI POPOVnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-24179452750914458532012-11-27T03:59:28.121-08:002012-11-27T03:59:28.121-08:00Perhaps it might one day become standard practice ...Perhaps it might one day become standard practice to present the original RAW file along with the final 'improved' jpg/tiff image that's being offered for display or competition or discussion, possibly with a textual record of what adjustments were made too; a kind of back-up verification for judges, editors, curators, photographers, etc., a guarantee the photographer has engaged in practice relevant to the expectations of the competition, exhibition, journal, newspaper. The RAW would of course not be displayed. Maybe this is a daft idea; with distrust and suspicion as the impetus. I should say I've no idea what proportion of (street) photographers shoot in RAW as a matter of course. Would film users have to submit their negs too? Maybe it's a daft idea after all. This consideration is based on the understanding that RAW is impossible to tamper with. (I think onlinephotographer had something about this recently.)Kate Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03835641892264087936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-19441653198312511822012-11-26T17:56:11.119-08:002012-11-26T17:56:11.119-08:00to paraphrase Bill Jay.... 'historically photo...to paraphrase Bill Jay.... 'historically photography is more important than art'.... I suspect sometime in the future both real and created "photography"(ie photography vs. graphic art) will still coexist but there will just need to be a designation that makes clear whether the image is substantially altered or not.....SRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-17728514868523198982012-11-26T11:42:12.464-08:002012-11-26T11:42:12.464-08:00What troubles me is how far off many manipulations...What troubles me is how far off many manipulations in landscape photography are, almost like the perspective errors of early paintings. With some basic observational skills the off-ness should jump out at the 'photographer' (and their gallery), but apparently it rarely does.<br /><br />I say, if the connection to reality is not that important to the work, photography is just a lazy shortcut for the unimaginative with a computer hobby. Perhaps it's just the street photographer in me, but I still have faith that digital photo manipulation will go the way of the synthesiser and that everyone will eventually recognise how impersonal all this plastic perfection really is. 10 years from now they'll re-appreciate the grungy-ness of reality and pick up the Tri-X again to do some serious work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-91030555370376089522012-11-25T20:48:32.768-08:002012-11-25T20:48:32.768-08:00And more than one person has sworn that NASA has b...And more than one person has sworn that NASA has been routinely retouching things they can't conveniently explain in their photos since the days it was still called "retouching."Stan B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17381743002180926900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-34702090986760565152012-11-25T19:37:00.538-08:002012-11-25T19:37:00.538-08:00How do we know the moon is even a real object in t...How do we know the moon is even a real object in the sky? Could be part of an elaborate set-piece surrounding earth at night, designed by federal authorities to lull us to sleep so we don't revolt. But photos of the set-piece can still be considered truthful.Blake Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07187987264904729243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-66423116350027607712012-11-25T18:51:28.341-08:002012-11-25T18:51:28.341-08:00Composite photos are the man made replicas of the ...Composite photos are the man made replicas of the minor miracles street photographers seek out (and occasionally capture) in everyday life.<br /><br /><br />FWIW you could also find a very dubious group of skeptics when it comes to photos of astronauts on the moon.Stan B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17381743002180926900noreply@blogger.com