tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post5061086899062843682..comments2024-03-01T00:28:37.354-08:00Comments on B: A chat with BryanBlake Andrewshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07187987264904729243noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-86457312531923164022011-11-23T13:30:33.660-08:002011-11-23T13:30:33.660-08:00greap conversation. thanksgreap conversation. thanksMark Powellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-76579723065793673432011-11-21T16:34:38.418-08:002011-11-21T16:34:38.418-08:00The disparity between the online photo community a...The disparity between the online photo community and the "traditional" photo world of galleries and print magazines is a wide gap indeed. And it's all about the money. The online community talks about the monied photo art world; they in turn do not talk about, think about, or even notice us- at least those that do not have their feet in both worlds. Sadly, it seems more and more blogs are going a more commercial route- less on creating and maintaining meaningful dialogue with readers (as here), more on how to make some money out of it all. That doesn't mean that certain bloggers can't make the occasional wave (think OCCUPY)- you may even garner some attention, but you won't be greeted with open arms, you certainly won't be an "equal," and you will be marginalized. Unless, of course, you command money with your action(s). <br /><br />As for what's new in the "art" of photography- not much. And it shouldn't matter all that much. Each day is new, and tomorrow is filled with "new" people, "new" situations and circumstances waiting to be made into "new" photographs. Eventually, they all get old, a scant few will somehow get noticed, fewer still will actually survive. Hopefully, you'll have a bit o' fun just making 'em- or why bother?Stan B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17381743002180926900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-73573443518763229072011-11-21T15:51:43.011-08:002011-11-21T15:51:43.011-08:00"If I want to make a good photograph, aren..."If I want to make a good photograph, aren't I better off just finding one on flickr or digging into a Garry Winogrand book and taking a photograph of that image?"<br /><br />Spence, I must say that's seems a particularly glum view of art/photography. I'm certainly glad musicians don't feel that way, otherwise there wouldn't have been any new music for many, many years.Phillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17851471902489434282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-92016556721255911722011-11-21T14:33:18.458-08:002011-11-21T14:33:18.458-08:00I admit I have a biased opinion. I'm a photogr...I admit I have a biased opinion. I'm a photographer, so naturally my inclination is to think new images can be vital. <br /><br />I think most photographers are natural optimists. We always hope that the next exposure might be "the one" which is part of what keeps us going.<br /><br />If everyone stops making images and it just turns into a giant game of recycling and reinterpreting, that seems like a less interesting world.Blake Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07187987264904729243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-77527658063192023252011-11-21T14:12:33.604-08:002011-11-21T14:12:33.604-08:00I don't doubt that there are new ways of putti...I don't doubt that there are new ways of putting old photographs together, but creating new photographs-I'm really having a hard time wrapping my mind around. I'm curious why you think that they might be the most vital thing left?spencenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-10945685038807274472011-11-21T13:15:10.019-08:002011-11-21T13:15:10.019-08:00I don't think it's as bad as that, Spence....I don't think it's as bad as that, Spence. There are plenty of new photos to be made, and plenty of new art, music, theatre, etc.<br /><br />I realize digging through old photos has become a new sort of game, especially with Google Street View. People have been coming up with interesting new combinations and curations. Artists have always mined the past. But that doesn't mean new photos are dead. In fact they may be the most vital thing left.Blake Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07187987264904729243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-48179929535454764512011-11-21T08:37:25.186-08:002011-11-21T08:37:25.186-08:00The thought has been swimming in my head for somet...The thought has been swimming in my head for sometime now is that all photographs in the world have been made and that there is nothing left in the world that hasn't been photographed. And essentially everything that is currently being made is simply derivative of that. This can apply to more than just photography (music, art, theatre, film, etc). So the question I'm left with is if all photographs have been made, then what is the point of making photographs? Is it so I can receive adulation from people who don't know the history of photography? If I want to make a good photograph, aren't I better off just finding one on flickr or digging into a Garry Winogrand book and taking a photograph of that image? It's a lot less work than going out and trying to find one on my own and if the end result is the same, then what value is there in me making the image vs. someone else?spencenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-38623132976939739652011-11-20T15:03:19.309-08:002011-11-20T15:03:19.309-08:00I'm still shocked that even 10 people will com...I'm still shocked that even 10 people will comment on one of my photographs on Flickr. <br /><br />I've met a few guys in their 50s-60s who have been making photographs for decades but never really showed anyone. Then they found Flickr and found an audience. <br /><br />For them, it was like they'd been discovered! They simply appreciated the fact that other people looked at their photographs and enjoyed them. <br /><br />I constantly try to remind myself of that when I interact online.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-36724410638515244112011-11-20T11:53:52.442-08:002011-11-20T11:53:52.442-08:00I know an older photographer who did quite a bit o...I know an older photographer who did quite a bit of very good work in the 1960s & '70s and wants all of his work destroyed when he dies. His dealings with the "art world" have left him hating the gallery owners and curators. I understand his feeling that they are all vultures, but don't think I could trash everything I spent most of my life creating...Matt Weberhttp://www.urbanphotos.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-50308429462651044152011-11-20T09:47:52.859-08:002011-11-20T09:47:52.859-08:00Interesting, Zisis. If a photograph falls in the w...Interesting, Zisis. If a photograph falls in the woods and no one sees it, did it exist? I can see Koudelka's point but I don't think I could follow that path. Part of a photo's life is finding an audience. Some of the activation occurs with interpretation, and multiple interpretations. <br /><br />Reminds me of Kafka's decision to destroy his unpublished writing when he died. Fortunately Max Brod disobeyed.<br /><br />When I die I want all of my undrunk beer destroyed.Blake Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07187987264904729243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-67547040272443325772011-11-20T09:08:02.237-08:002011-11-20T09:08:02.237-08:00A very interesting discussion. What surprised me w...A very interesting discussion. What surprised me was the large gap between the online and physical photography worlds, as you mentioned with your trip to Photolucida. I think that the problem with the online world is that it's constantly changing and evolving, often without reason or necessity. It's hard to settle in to the familiarity that you get in the physical world. Often the method of online delivery/presentation overshadows the actual photography. It's difficult to develop a single thread of reasoning when you have to keep learning new platforms. At least in the physical world you know what to expect and have a solid history to provide a reference point to what you are seeing, or reading. I still feel that the online world is akin to light entertainment. I can plow through the blogs in 10 minutes before I check out the latest sports scores, whereas in the physical world it is more of an event that takes some effort on your part and perhaps the payoff has more meaning as a result.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-82753300226960659562011-11-20T08:50:25.066-08:002011-11-20T08:50:25.066-08:00The pleasure of reading a good chat. You've ce...The pleasure of reading a good chat. You've certainly tackled on many interesting photography related subjects. <br />One of the questions that regularly haunts me is the one asked by Bryan, "If nobody remembers or cares about your photographs in 40 years, then what's the point in making them in the first place?"<br />I remember what Kudelka once said when he was asked.<br /><br />Frank Horvat : But what else counts for you? Is it important that your photos be preserved after your death?<br /><br />Joseph Koudelka : It never seemed important to me that my photos be published. It's important that I take them. There were periods where I didn't have money, and I would imagine that someone would come to me and say: "Here is money, you can go do your photography, but you must not show it." I would have accepted right away. On the other hand, if someone had come to me saying: "Here is money to do your photography, but after your death it must be destroyed", I would have refused. Do you understand?<br /><br />Frank Horvat : What matters is that the photos exist.<br /><br />http://www.horvatland.com/pages/entrevues/05-koudelka-en_en.htmZisis Kardianoshttp://www.zisiskardianos.grnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4935046131385109105.post-13397665696195634822011-11-20T00:44:35.766-08:002011-11-20T00:44:35.766-08:00*tink* :)*tink* :)Tiffanynoreply@blogger.com